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http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/photo/041306/041306.htm
Title: Re: Ohio City- Jay Hotel renderings
Title: Re: Ohio City- Jay Hotel renderings
Here's a smaller version of the Jay Hotel rehab:
(http://www.clevelandskyscrapers.com/cleveland/jaylofts.jpg [1])
For what it's worth, I actually heard some people say "aw man, that was COOL having a flophouse there!". :|
Title: Re: Ohio City- Jay Hotel renderings 9:30 Ward 13
Calendar No. 06-62: 2517 Jay Avenue Joe Cimperman
23 Notices
Gormark Developers, Inc., owner, and Matt Solomon, agent, appeal to construct an addition and change the use from a hotel to apartments and townhomes, proposed for an existing three-story masonry building situated on a 74’ x 108’ lot located in a General Retail Business District on the southwest corner of Jay Avenue and West 26 th Street at 2517 Jay Avenue; contrary to Section 355.04 of the Area Regulations for residence buildings in all use districts, 10,918 s/f is proposed instead of one-half the lot size area or 5,993 s/f; and contrary to Section 357.04 in the Requirements for Yards and Courts, a front yard depth of 6’ is proposed where 16’ is required; and there is no rear yard where a 30’ depth is required, based upon one-half the height of the main building and as stated in Section 357.08(b)(2) of the Codified Ordinances. (Filed 4-17-06)
Title: Re: Ohio City- Jay Hotel renderingsHere's a better image than what we've been looking at so far...this is from Jay Avenue, looking southeast towards the site:
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y44/cbongorno/JayLofts.jpg [2])
Title: Re: Ohio City- Jay Hotel renderingsI agree, though, B12. I don't really like it. It's a little too "something" for that spot. I think this could be ironed out in design review (I think it will, to a certain extent) and I think in the end that well get a dramatic improvement over what has been there for the past several years. That being the low-rise warehouses and a boarded up post office/flop house. I think the major error for me in many of these new townhouse buildings is the abandonment of traditional, high quality materials (brick & stone) in favor of corrugated metal and vinyl siding. The latter two often look tacky and don't wear as well. Some would tell me I'm wrong though...
Title: Re: Ohio City- Jay Hotel renderings(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a291/blinker1_2000/Miscellaneous/2006_... [3])
You know I had to peek inside, at what appears to have been the old lobby. It was none too pretty:
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a291/blinker1_2000/Miscellaneous/2006_... [4])
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a291/blinker1_2000/Miscellaneous/2006_... [5])
Title: Re: Ohio City- Jay Hotel renderingsAs for when the Jay Hotel was last a post office, I don't know. It must have been a looooooooong time ago. I seem to recall the building itself dates to about 1915.
Title: Re: Ohio City- Jay Hotel renderingsBy the way, there used to be a bowling alley in the building, in addition to the former roles as flop house, post office and hotel.
Sure makes for an odd combination for one-stop shopping
I went by the site yesterday morning and evening and there didn't seem to be a lot of progress on the demo. It seems odd that they started in the middle, too. Whatever...as long as they're coming down! Word on the streets, though, is that they didn't have proper permitting to start the demo. I don't know if that's true, but it would seem to me that after all the delays to date, they would at least have had enough time to get their permits in order! Maybe it's the fault of a subcontractor or something... we shall see!
Title: Re: Ohio City- Jay Hotel renderings(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a291/blinker1_2000/Tyler%20Elevator/20... [7])
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a291/blinker1_2000/Tyler%20Elevator/20... [8])
Title: Re: Ohio City- Jay Hotel renderings here it is copied and pasted:
Councilman Joe Cimperman Doesn't Care About Ohio City Residents as Shown by His Actions
The vast majority of Ohio City residents are not in favor of allowing the requested variances to be granted for the proposed structure below to be built on Ohio City's most historic street!
Jay Avenue is one of the most historic streets in all of ohio city. It is filled with lovely victorian homes and lots of character and charm that people want to see when they visit Ohio City. Lolly the Trolley even comes down the street several times a day to talk it up.
I'm Dave Stack and as a long time resident of Ohio City speaking on behalf of the majority of Ohio City residents who have an opinion on this matter, we do not want to see such a massive structure built on such a small lot on the corner of Jay and W30th. Having such a large structure there will not only be an eye sore, it will take away charm from our historic street and lower our property values.
We are not at all opposed to having a structure built in the space, but we would like to see one built where a 17 foot variance (among many others) are not being asked for. We see this as being a totally reasonable request and the current requested variances being asked for as extremely unreasonable which would have a very negative impact on the neighborhood if granted.
Joe Cimperman knows this is how the vast majority of Ohio City feels, but yet he continues to throw his full support behind this project even though those who elected him do not want this building to be built in its current size.
Why does Joe Cimperman fully support this project when most of Ohio City doesn't support it????????
Many people feel that Joe Cimperman and the owner of the property (Jim Evangelista) are friends and Joe Cimperman is putting his friendship and his friends financial interest ahead of the thoughts and feelings of Ohio City residents. This is not right! If this is true, Shame on Joe Cimperman for totally ignoring the wishes of what the neighborhood wants in order to help his friend make a quick dollar.
Do not allow the requested variances to be approved. Come to the one and only meeting to stop this:
Board of Zoning Appeals
601 Lakeside Avenue, Room 516
Monday July 24th at 9:30 to voice your opposition to this!
Or send an email objection to me at dave [at] musicstack [dot] com and I will print it out and hand deliver it for you.
We need your support!
Why This Project Is a Bad Idea:
• Proposed house is MASSIVE for the lot size. Not reasonable at all. Lot not even big enough for a single family, let alone a double!
• Will remove much needed parking spots from W 30th where curb cuts must be added.
• 4 car garage with huge garage doors are not attractive to look at from W30th.
• Asking for a 17 foot rear yard variance is outrageous! Will eliminate most all green space.
• Asking for another 7 foot side yard variance removed even more possible green space.
• Asking for a 4' 1" variance to build closer to the next door house is a FIRE HAZZARD!
• The owner (Jim Evangelista) doesn't have Ohio City's interest in mind - only finanical gain.
• Cimperman giving full support against the will of neighborhood is bad for future trust in our councilman.
• Having such a large eye soar will lower surrouding neighbors property values.
• The design of the house doesn't fit in well with surrounding homes on Jay Avenue.
BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS JULY 24, 2006
9:30 Ward 13 - Calendar No. 06-123 - 2925 Jay Avenue
Joe Cimperman - 12 Notices
Jay & 30th Project LLC, owner, and Douglas Wahl, agent, appeal to erect a 34' x 20' two-story frame dwelling, proposed to be erected on a 40' x 51.66' parcel located in a Two-Family District on the southeast corner of Jay Avenue and West 30th Street at 2925 Jay Avenue; subject to the limitations of Section 349.05(a), there may be no parking space located within 10' of a residential building or structure if the wall facing the space contains a ground floor opening designed to provide light or ventilation; and contrary to Section 355.04(b), a minimum lot area of 2,246 s/f is provided and 4,800 s/f is required and a maximum gross floor area of 2,040 s/f is proposed, exceeding one-half of the lot size; and contrary to Section 357.08(2)(b)(1), there is a 3' rear yard depth where 20' is required; with a distance of 5'-11" provided contrary to 10' from a main building, and the proposed aggregate width of the total side yards equals 3' and the aggregate width of side yards on the same premises may not be less than 10' as stated in Section 357.09(2)B of the Codified Ordinances. (Filed 6-19-06)
9:30 Ward 13 - Calendar No. 06-124 - 1817 West 30th Street
Joe Cimperman - 12 Notices
Jay & 30th Project LLC, owner, and Douglas Wahl, agent, appeal go erect a 34' x 20' two-story frame dwelling, proposed to be erected on a 40' x 56.15' parcel located in a Two-Family District on the south side of West 30th Street near Waco Court at 1817 West 30th Street; subject to the limitations of Section 349.05(a), there may be no parking space located within 10' of a residential building or structure, if the wall facing the space contains a ground floor opening designed to provide light or ventilation; and contrary to Section 355.04(b), a minimum lot area of 2,246 s/f is provided and 4,800 s/f is required and a maximum gross floor area of 2,040 s/f is proposed, exceeding one-half of the lot size; and contrary to Section 357.08(2)(b)(1), there is a 3' rear yard depth where 20' is required; with a distance of 5'-11" provided contrary to 10' from a main building, and the proposed aggregate width of the total side yards equals 3' and the aggregate width of side yards on the same premises may not be less than 10' as stated in Section 357.09(2)B of the Codified Ordinances. (Filed 6-19-06)
Title: Re: Ohio City- Jay Hotel renderings
the guy doing the posting is also behind the pluggedincleveland.com website.
Title: Re: Ohio City- Jay Hotel renderingsIt also appears that he lives across the street from the development and doesn't want to look at it.
ohiocity.com
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Title: Re: Ohio City- Jay Hotel renderingsI dropped in Bier Markt and talked to the official at the table a few days ago. She said Jay is still very much "on" but that presales are lagging; that right now, Heartland is focusing on their other props, like Avalon Station in Shaker, one in Warrensville Hts and a couple on the West Side... She said they expected the spring/summer season will pick up and construction will commence. It's interesting that Fries & Schuele, which is similar and just a few doors down, is always lock-tight with buyers; there's ever hardly a vacancy, despite the fact that, though nice, it's way overpriced imho, esp for the Cleveland market -- they're charging Chicago/Philly money for this building; not to put us down, but as nice as we are, we're not quite there, yet.
I disagree, i think the Ohio City Market is there. Not all of Cleveland, but certain areas.
I suspect once Avalon and a few others get on their feet, Heartland will turn attention (including stepped up marketing) to Jay... but as to when, exactly, who knows. Of course their reps are going to project as sunny outlook as possible...
Title: Re: Ohio City- Jay Hotel renderingsI'm no RE guru (wish I was, b/c I could clean up here), but it appears that simply some projects are more/better funded than others so developers are more apt to build/finish more on spec than hard presales which all of them must have some presale ratio before a spade goes into the ground... RE is funny, reflecting the people who buy locate there. F&S soars while Jay struggles... Stonebridge (w/ it's weird sort of out-of-the-way location) can't put up buildings fast enough to meet demand, while Pinnacle, right in the heart of one of Cleveland's hotest/hippest hoods, is -- by simply eyeballing it at night --is largely vacant. Go figure :wtf:; although I have heard gripes that Pinnacle is considered by some overpriced for this market and may come down a tad (then again, Larchmere Lofts, around the corner from me, is selling 12-1400 sq ft, 2-bed units for over $320K and like F&S and Stonebridge, stay over 95% full -- again, go figure) ... Developers like Heartland, no doubt, subsidize their struggling (presales) props w/ their more successful ones... I know for a fact, Avalon Station was, as of Christmas, had low presales -- about 17 units sold of around 50, yet it is almost finished. And it appears their moving on Phase II across the street.
I suspect once Avalon and a few others get on their feet, Heartland will turn attention (including stepped up marketing) to Jay... but as to when, exactly, who knows. Of course their reps are going to project as sunny outlook as possible...
I think your eyes deceive you. According to my uncle & aunt who have been looking at units there (these 65 year olds want to downsize and party - go figure), out of the 65 (I think she said 65 it could have been 75) regular apartment only 8 are available. They don't want to buy there now, because they waited thinking a) the price would go down b) they could get a lower unite with a terrace for cheaper but those units don't have good views. They ended up looking at the penthouses and my uncle agrees with you that those units are nice, but overpriced.
Shaker Square has such a variety of apartment and incomes, all the new stuff sold out VERY QUICKLY. I think its time for some of these rental buildings with their big suites to go condo. Area's like ours, Edgewater, Ohio City, Little Italy, Flats WestBank will sell. Areas like, HWD, Detroit Shoreway, Hough/Forest Hills, Flats EastBank & university circle will benefit from the fast sells in those neighborhoods as people will think they are priced out.
I too think that Heartland has their hands full and don't have the man power to fully support the project.
I have never really looked at SQ because both of us have to drive to work -- publick transporation is not an option. Is it hard to get in and out?
Title: Re: Ohio City- Jay Hotel renderingsHWD?
I have never really looked at SQ because both of us have to drive to work -- publick transporation is not an option. Is it hard to get in and out?
HWD=Historic Warehouse District. What is SQ?
Some pictures for those who haven't seen lately...
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Links:
[1] http://www.clevelandskyscrapers.com/cleveland/jaylofts.jpg
[2] http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y44/cbongorno/JayLofts.jpg
[3] http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a291/blinker1_2000/Miscellaneous/2006_0607Image0003.jpg
[4] http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a291/blinker1_2000/Miscellaneous/2006_0607Image0001.jpg
[5] http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a291/blinker1_2000/Miscellaneous/2006_0607Image0002.jpg
[6] http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,8436.msg106761.html#msg106761
[7] http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a291/blinker1_2000/Tyler%20Elevator/2006_0630Image0042.jpg
[8] http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a291/blinker1_2000/Tyler%20Elevator/2006_0630Image0043.jpg
[9] http://www.ohiocity.com/
[10] http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=9289.30
[11] http://www.godaddy.com
[12] http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y44/cbongorno/Ohio%20City/IMG_7831.jpg
[13] http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,8436.msg182669.html#msg182669
[14] http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,8436.msg182692.html#msg182692
[15] http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,8436.msg182799.html#msg182799
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[18] http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/ww215/detroitzack/Cleveland-%20Ohio%20City/100_9663.jpg
[19] http://i942.photobucket.com/albums/ad261/pwmcleveland/DSCF4049.jpg
[20] http://i942.photobucket.com/albums/ad261/pwmcleveland/DSCF4050.jpg
[21] http://www.simplemachines.org/
[22] http://www.simplemachines.org/about/copyright.php