Who will "apply breaks" during U.S. default

Submitted by Lee Batdorff on Sat, 07/23/2011 - 21:05.

Folks, this might be a very special week, starting Monday July 25th, 2011.

Many say that we, as a civilization, are looking into the depths of a coming deep depression brought on by an actual default of the U.S. Federal government.  Even just the simple continuing disagreement between the right-controlled U.S. House and the ever-so-centering President Obama about what to do into the next week could prompt a falling investment bond rating.

From what I've been reading, a falling bond rating for the U.S. is a falling financial rating for every borrower in the U.S.

Could U.S. Congressmen take a back step in a couple weeks after an actual default, and fix it?  If so, what effective measure taken by the Federal Government a week or two into the U.S. bond raiting collapse--would be to be enough to stop it from continuing to fall?

Where are the "breaks" this time, during summer-autumn 2011?  In 2008 and 2009 there were "breaks," applied by U.S. Federal government to stop major firms from toppling.

This time it's the Federal Government that is going down and they were the folks who applied the "breaks" in 2008 and 2009.

Now, with a defaulted U.S. Government, who can apply the breaks?  How long will it be until breaks can be applied, and by whom?

This is easier said than done: When if falls, stay out from under it.

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The fear mongering by the

The fear mongering by the political class on this is agonizing. Threats of no payments on the interest or social security is a form of mental hostage taking that is both unfounded and dishonest and makes the polticians look piggish in their demand to spend ever more of the money they (and the taxpayer) don't have. There are plenty of revenues to cover what was promised to millions of Americans that were lulled into believing that they could depend on DC to look out for their best interests. Instead the vulnerability of those depending on social programs is used like a political chip to be thrown all in to gain public support for their ever insatiable desire to spend more money on their political cronies and bootlickers. Despite what Reid et al would like us to believe, the moral high ground is on standing pat on the debt ceiling and even reducing it now; not with spending more tax revenue taken from our unborn future generations.

Sad what is going on...

Sadder that so many people stopped participating long ago and our government got so out of control.... I pray that more people get on the horns to call their politicians and reel them in to do the right thing for our country! Our most vulnerable people don't deserve this.

Always Appreciative, "ANGELnWard14"

Fear Mongering

Thanks John for your input here--I agree with your comments.  Both sides are holding us hostage.  Obama inherited a mess--and the legacy on spending from both sides is shameful, but there has to be real accountability and collectively at the local and state level, we need to stop spending money that does not exist for us to spend.

Post-"deal" comments on avoiding default and curbing debt

Here is a short stream of comments about this crisis, from Facebook. Click on comments:

www.facebook.com/profile.php

 

Lee, the facebook link is now unavailable

 Hello Lee, If you can get to the facebook comments, I suggest copy/cut/paste them here on Realneo where they will not go blank....Thanks for bringing attention to the discussion on facebook (since I don't do facebook)

Best,   

Jeff b

Post "deal" search for the future

  • Here is a short stream of comments about this crisis, from Facebook.

    Ian Kirkpatrick I know that many of my American friends are going to call me "libertard", or "Commie", but no-one saved your economy from collapse. The simple fact is that from all practical points of view the $US is the international unit of trading, which just happens to be used as the currency of the United States. This is the great drawback of having your currency as a reserve currency, and the only reason why large corporations have been able to amass the huge amounts of (actually non existent) money they now control. My reasoning?
    Taking the IT sector as the easiest example (using Apple & Foxcomm). - Much of Apple's equipment is manufactured in Taiwan and China. The U.S. has little, or no, foreign currency reserves to enable Apple to pay for the manufacture of its products, thus they must purchase the product for $US. Herein lies the rub: Even an irrevocable letter of credit would be drawn on a bank. The majority of the bank's reserves are held in U.S. treasury instruments, and Foxcomm has to pay for its supplies and payroll in local currency which it must purchase from the appropriate authorities. The net result of all this is that the U.S. government has guaranteed that it will pay the bill for all of this with money it does not have, and jobs which could have been done in the U.S. are being done offshore. Maybe my analysis is illogical, if it is please tell me how.
Yesterday at 8:32pm · Like · 1 person
  • James Buffington Er. Ian, it was a joke. Kind of like the politicos in Washington.
    Yesterday at 8:35pm · Like · 1 person
  • Ian Kirkpatrick James, not being an American I am not going to get involved in partisan politics - both sides are at fault and frankly, looking from the outside in, the American political system appears to have become a total basket case.
    Yesterday at 8:40pm · Like
  • James Buffington It would be more precise to say we are going to Hell in a hand basket. do you know the difference between the Boy Scouts and Congress? The Boy Scouts have adult supervision.
    Yesterday at 8:48pm · Like · 1 person
  • Ian Kirkpatrick Good one!
    Yesterday at 8:50pm · Like · 1 person
  • Lee Campbell Hear hear, Ian, I have never seen it in a more desperate condidtion. I see no heros on the horizon. Obama has played back room politics with the the corperations and betrayed the unions. His stimulus may have helped slow down the enevidible a tiny bit but no more then that. The republicans are at each others throats. The Democrats have no clue at all. America does not know whats coming next...
    Yesterday at 8:50pm · Like
  • Lee Campbell Gold is nearly 1700 dollars an ounce, can you believe that???
    Yesterday at 8:57pm · Like
  • James Buffington Wait til they have to hyperinflate the currency to pay the debt.....
    Yesterday at 8:59pm · Like
  • Ian Kirkpatrick South Korea, an old U.S. ally just bought 25 tonnes of it. Jumping ship perhaps?
    Yesterday at 8:59pm · Like · 1 person
  • Lee Campbell What is copper going for these days??? I think if I dig deep enoug I may still be able to find a f cents to rub together. Ha-ha-ha...
    Yesterday at 9:00pm · Like
  • James Buffington I hear Obama is going to put Fort Knox up on Ebay.....
    Yesterday at 9:00pm · Like · 1 person
  • Yesterday at 9:01pm · Like
  • Lee Campbell True enough Ian, the U.S. may lose it's friends if this nonsese with the stupid tea party keeps up!!!
    Yesterday at 9:02pm · Like
  • Lee Campbell What ever happened to the word diplomacy. When the partys actually went to washington with the objective and goal of work to resolve issues in mind?
    Yesterday at 9:06pm · Like
  • Lee Campbell They had goals to reslove their differences and settle the problems for the good of the country and the common man
    Yesterday at 9:08pm · Like
  • Ian Kirkpatrick Unless, and until, U.S. electoral law, together with lobbying regulations, is amended to prevent the financing of candidates by big money (corporate or union) there will be no solution.
    Yesterday at 9:08pm · Like · 1 person
  • Lee Campbell Right Ian, they talked about recording the time each politician spent with a lobbyist but the talk died fast
    Yesterday at 9:10pm · Like
  • Lee Campbell The trancparancy talk died faster
    Yesterday at 9:10pm · Like
  • Lee Campbell transparancy, time spent on the job
    Yesterday at 9:12pm · Like
  • James Buffington It's not the Tea Party. Fiscally, they are the voice of sanity, speaking out to late. The government takes in 2.5 trillion annually. The debt is 14.5 trillion. This deal allows the debt to go up 7 trillion in 10 years. Debt vs income is at a 6-1 and 8-1 ratio more or less under these numbers. In the consumer world you are bankrupt if your unsecured debt equals your annual income. We are bankrupt as far as i can see and the Tea Party had nothing to do with that. This current deal just allows the iceberg hitting the Titanic to get bigger. Negotiation is a nice word, but the numbers will rule. There really is nothing to negotiate. In rough numbers to pay off the current debt at a rate of 500 billion a year would require reducing government spending to two trillion a year, about a 40 per cent cut from the current spending level for 28 years. The Tea Party, despite the rhetoric you hear, won nothing. and the goal wasn't to resolve differences, it was to cut the spending.
    Yesterday at 9:13pm · Like · 1 person
  • James Buffington Stock up on Vaseline
    Yesterday at 9:14pm · Like
  • Lee Campbell Too radical James, it cant be done that fast. They came in like gang busters and tried to take over. The 1st termers against the old timers. It was never gonna happen.
    Yesterday at 9:15pm · Like
  • Lee Campbell To much lobbying in place alreay before they ever got there
    Yesterday at 9:16pm · Like
  • James Buffington Never said it was. Too little, too late. Yet it would be moral cowardice not to try. Try the SLV as opposed to the GLD.
    Yesterday at 9:16pm · Like · 1 person
  • Lee Campbell I know Bachman and others were not 1st termers but many were
    Yesterday at 9:17pm · Like
  • Lee Campbell I understand they made a good statment and all, but it rocked the boat pretty hard and almost sank it. We will see if it was worth it. I hope so man.
    Yesterday at 9:20pm · Like
  • Ian Kirkpatrick A suggestion: - impose countervailing duties on offshore manufacture of U.S. technology to bring the cost (excluding shipping) up to thae of the same item produced in the U.S. This will make offshore production unprofitable an
    Yesterday at 9:23pm · Like · 1 person
  • Ian Kirkpatrick and repatriate jobs.
    Yesterday at 9:24pm · Like
  • Ian Kirkpatrick sorry about spelling, using netbook and eyes beginning to fail
    Yesterday at 9:26pm · Like
  • Ian Kirkpatrick possibly considered extreme, unpalatable to corporation but might even result in balanced budget.
    Yesterday at 9:28pm · Like · 1 person
  • Lee Campbell I love that Idea and wonder if it has been suggested to my senators or congressman. I'll make a note and email them before bed tonight Ian. Thank you for the idea my friend. It is very much appreciated.
    Yesterday at 9:29pm · Like
  • Lee Campbell I spell bad and have no excuse, ha-ha-ha... It is always good to speak with my favorite man from Canada. But now its time for toast and coffee so Im going to run along. I hope to catch you again very soon.
    Yesterday at 9:33pm · Like
  • Ian Kirkpatrick TALK LATER
    Yesterday at 9:33pm · Like · 1 person
  • Yesterday at 9:33pm · Like
  • Gin Fraser I'm for giving them the boot.... with a few possible exceptions, not decided upon which though
    Yesterday at 10:52pm · Like
  • Lee E Batdorff Gin, You only have the lever on your representatives. Don't forget your state reps either. Ian & Lee, more, please, more.
    22 hours ago · Like

    Post "deal" search for the future

    • Here is a short stream of comments about this crisis, from Facebook.

      Ian Kirkpatrick I know that many of my American friends are going to call me "libertard", or "Commie", but no-one saved your economy from collapse. The simple fact is that from all practical points of view the $US is the international unit of trading, which just happens to be used as the currency of the United States. This is the great drawback of having your currency as a reserve currency, and the only reason why large corporations have been able to amass the huge amounts of (actually non existent) money they now control. My reasoning?
      Taking the IT sector as the easiest example (using Apple & Foxcomm). - Much of Apple's equipment is manufactured in Taiwan and China. The U.S. has little, or no, foreign currency reserves to enable Apple to pay for the manufacture of its products, thus they must purchase the product for $US. Herein lies the rub: Even an irrevocable letter of credit would be drawn on a bank. The majority of the bank's reserves are held in U.S. treasury instruments, and Foxcomm has to pay for its supplies and payroll in local currency which it must purchase from the appropriate authorities. The net result of all this is that the U.S. government has guaranteed that it will pay the bill for all of this with money it does not have, and jobs which could have been done in the U.S. are being done offshore. Maybe my analysis is illogical, if it is please tell me how.
    Yesterday at 8:32pm · Like · 1 person
  • James Buffington Er. Ian, it was a joke. Kind of like the politicos in Washington.
    Yesterday at 8:35pm · Like · 1 person
  • Ian Kirkpatrick James, not being an American I am not going to get involved in partisan politics - both sides are at fault and frankly, looking from the outside in, the American political system appears to have become a total basket case.
    Yesterday at 8:40pm · Like
  • James Buffington It would be more precise to say we are going to Hell in a hand basket. do you know the difference between the Boy Scouts and Congress? The Boy Scouts have adult supervision.
    Yesterday at 8:48pm · Like · 1 person
  • Ian Kirkpatrick Good one!
    Yesterday at 8:50pm · Like · 1 person
  • Lee Campbell Hear hear, Ian, I have never seen it in a more desperate condidtion. I see no heros on the horizon. Obama has played back room politics with the the corperations and betrayed the unions. His stimulus may have helped slow down the enevidible a tiny bit but no more then that. The republicans are at each others throats. The Democrats have no clue at all. America does not know whats coming next...
    Yesterday at 8:50pm · Like
  • Lee Campbell Gold is nearly 1700 dollars an ounce, can you believe that???
    Yesterday at 8:57pm · Like
  • James Buffington Wait til they have to hyperinflate the currency to pay the debt.....
    Yesterday at 8:59pm · Like
  • Ian Kirkpatrick South Korea, an old U.S. ally just bought 25 tonnes of it. Jumping ship perhaps?
    Yesterday at 8:59pm · Like · 1 person
  • Lee Campbell What is copper going for these days??? I think if I dig deep enoug I may still be able to find a f cents to rub together. Ha-ha-ha...
    Yesterday at 9:00pm · Like
  • James Buffington I hear Obama is going to put Fort Knox up on Ebay.....
    Yesterday at 9:00pm · Like · 1 person
  • Yesterday at 9:01pm · Like
  • Lee Campbell True enough Ian, the U.S. may lose it's friends if this nonsese with the stupid tea party keeps up!!!
    Yesterday at 9:02pm · Like
  • Lee Campbell What ever happened to the word diplomacy. When the partys actually went to washington with the objective and goal of work to resolve issues in mind?
    Yesterday at 9:06pm · Like
  • Lee Campbell They had goals to reslove their differences and settle the problems for the good of the country and the common man
    Yesterday at 9:08pm · Like
  • Ian Kirkpatrick Unless, and until, U.S. electoral law, together with lobbying regulations, is amended to prevent the financing of candidates by big money (corporate or union) there will be no solution.
    Yesterday at 9:08pm · Like · 1 person
  • Lee Campbell Right Ian, they talked about recording the time each politician spent with a lobbyist but the talk died fast
    Yesterday at 9:10pm · Like
  • Lee Campbell The trancparancy talk died faster
    Yesterday at 9:10pm · Like
  • Lee Campbell transparancy, time spent on the job
    Yesterday at 9:12pm · Like
  • James Buffington It's not the Tea Party. Fiscally, they are the voice of sanity, speaking out to late. The government takes in 2.5 trillion annually. The debt is 14.5 trillion. This deal allows the debt to go up 7 trillion in 10 years. Debt vs income is at a 6-1 and 8-1 ratio more or less under these numbers. In the consumer world you are bankrupt if your unsecured debt equals your annual income. We are bankrupt as far as i can see and the Tea Party had nothing to do with that. This current deal just allows the iceberg hitting the Titanic to get bigger. Negotiation is a nice word, but the numbers will rule. There really is nothing to negotiate. In rough numbers to pay off the current debt at a rate of 500 billion a year would require reducing government spending to two trillion a year, about a 40 per cent cut from the current spending level for 28 years. The Tea Party, despite the rhetoric you hear, won nothing. and the goal wasn't to resolve differences, it was to cut the spending.
    Yesterday at 9:13pm · Like · 1 person
  • James Buffington Stock up on Vaseline
    Yesterday at 9:14pm · Like
  • Lee Campbell Too radical James, it cant be done that fast. They came in like gang busters and tried to take over. The 1st termers against the old timers. It was never gonna happen.
    Yesterday at 9:15pm · Like
  • Lee Campbell To much lobbying in place alreay before they ever got there
    Yesterday at 9:16pm · Like
  • James Buffington Never said it was. Too little, too late. Yet it would be moral cowardice not to try. Try the SLV as opposed to the GLD.
    Yesterday at 9:16pm · Like · 1 person
  • Lee Campbell I know Bachman and others were not 1st termers but many were
    Yesterday at 9:17pm · Like
  • Lee Campbell I understand they made a good statment and all, but it rocked the boat pretty hard and almost sank it. We will see if it was worth it. I hope so man.
    Yesterday at 9:20pm · Like
  • Ian Kirkpatrick A suggestion: - impose countervailing duties on offshore manufacture of U.S. technology to bring the cost (excluding shipping) up to thae of the same item produced in the U.S. This will make offshore production unprofitable an
    Yesterday at 9:23pm · Like · 1 person
  • Ian Kirkpatrick and repatriate jobs.
    Yesterday at 9:24pm · Like
  • Ian Kirkpatrick sorry about spelling, using netbook and eyes beginning to fail
    Yesterday at 9:26pm · Like
  • Ian Kirkpatrick possibly considered extreme, unpalatable to corporation but might even result in balanced budget.
    Yesterday at 9:28pm · Like · 1 person
  • Lee Campbell I love that Idea and wonder if it has been suggested to my senators or congressman. I'll make a note and email them before bed tonight Ian. Thank you for the idea my friend. It is very much appreciated.
    Yesterday at 9:29pm · Like
  • Lee Campbell I spell bad and have no excuse, ha-ha-ha... It is always good to speak with my favorite man from Canada. But now its time for toast and coffee so Im going to run along. I hope to catch you again very soon.
    Yesterday at 9:33pm · Like
  • Ian Kirkpatrick TALK LATER
    Yesterday at 9:33pm · Like · 1 person
  • Yesterday at 9:33pm · Like
  • Gin Fraser I'm for giving them the boot.... with a few possible exceptions, not decided upon which though
    Yesterday at 10:52pm · Like
  • Lee E Batdorff Gin, You only have the lever on your representatives. Don't forget your state reps either. Ian & Lee, more, please, more.
    22 hours ago · Like